My question is, at what point does DU's over-all bar passage rate (66%) make it a liability for law-firms to hire a DU grad, versus CU's overall bar passage rate (92%)???
If I am on the hiring committee of a major law firm, am I going to take a chance at hiring a summer associate from DU and paying them $20k -$30k over the summer, when there is a 1/3 chance I am never going to get a return on my investment? NO. I'm going to hire a CU grad who, even if they are in the bottom half of the class, is at least going to pass the bar exam.
Unfortunately, DU does a much better job of networking than we do. Despite their generally poorer credentials entering law school and low bar passage rate, they end up with jobs. It's an endless source of frustration for me because I'm ranked. I can't stand it when firms hire DU grads. And yes, I have been looking for a job.
BigLaw jobs aside (and superior networking aside) -- why would ANY firm hire a DU grad versus a similarly qualified CU grad. Statistically it makes no sense.
Obviously being a CU law student, I am biased, but it just kind of baffles me.
DU has more students, so their top 10% is more people than your top 10%. Also, 50% of attorneys in CO are DU graduates, and people tend to protect their own. If you had the choice of hiring a top 10% CU grad or top 10% DU grad, you would probably hire the CU grad. It works the same way with DU lawyers and students, as they know the minimal difference between law school students as a whole and those in the top their classes at any university. It is not "baffling," but common sense. My advice to you is to network your butt off so people get to know you and your personality and strengths. That is what I had to do. Good Luck! A Practicing CU grad
The whole purpose of an interview is to get to know the person that you are considering hiring on a personal basis. Many of the top students in my class are incredibly socially awkward, and that surely has an impact on every employer's decision.
On a totally different topic, a thought popped into my head as I perused the CU "students of color" brochure exalting every accomplishment that seemingly every "person of color" (an odd term in my opinion) had ever accomplished at CU. Didn't MLK have a dream that his children would be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character? Shouldn't those accomplishment simply be listed somewhere simply by the person's name? Are they not valid or commendable if the person is not also identified as a "student of color?" Just a thought I guess.
What a witty and insightful response anon at 9:20. You clearly come from the republican school of argument, i.e., attack the messenger so you can ignore the message.
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My question is, at what point does DU's over-all bar passage rate (66%) make it a liability for law-firms to hire a DU grad, versus CU's overall bar passage rate (92%)???
If I am on the hiring committee of a major law firm, am I going to take a chance at hiring a summer associate from DU and paying them $20k -$30k over the summer, when there is a 1/3 chance I am never going to get a return on my investment? NO. I'm going to hire a CU grad who, even if they are in the bottom half of the class, is at least going to pass the bar exam.
Excuse me, 91% overall bar passage rate for CU grads. My apologies for my unfair comparison between DU and CU.
Congrats you guys!!! You make us all look good. Also, DU's pass rate has improved.
YEAH!!!
mrmeatsir: the 34% of DU grads that won't pass the bar are not likely to get biglaw summer jobs..
Unfortunately, DU does a much better job of networking than we do. Despite their generally poorer credentials entering law school and low bar passage rate, they end up with jobs. It's an endless source of frustration for me because I'm ranked. I can't stand it when firms hire DU grads. And yes, I have been looking for a job.
Congrats to everyone who passed.
BigLaw jobs aside (and superior networking aside) -- why would ANY firm hire a DU grad versus a similarly qualified CU grad. Statistically it makes no sense.
Obviously being a CU law student, I am biased, but it just kind of baffles me.
MMsir, maybe they're not hiring you and CU grads like you due to your appalling pomposity...
meat,
DU has more students, so their top 10% is more people than your top 10%. Also, 50% of attorneys in CO are DU graduates, and people tend to protect their own. If you had the choice of hiring a top 10% CU grad or top 10% DU grad, you would probably hire the CU grad. It works the same way with DU lawyers and students, as they know the minimal difference between law school students as a whole and those in the top their classes at any university. It is not "baffling," but common sense. My advice to you is to network your butt off so people get to know you and your personality and strengths. That is what I had to do. Good Luck! A Practicing CU grad
The whole purpose of an interview is to get to know the person that you are considering hiring on a personal basis. Many of the top students in my class are incredibly socially awkward, and that surely has an impact on every employer's decision.
I find the CU v. DU thing kinda sad. Give it a rest!
I say congrats to CU students getting jobs and congrats to DU students getting jobs.
Maybe if CU students weren't such snobs -- we would come off better when we network with DU & CU alumns.
Good luck with those 90 hour work weeks.
Yeah 90 hour work weeks!!
On a totally different topic, a thought popped into my head as I perused the CU "students of color" brochure exalting every accomplishment that seemingly every "person of color" (an odd term in my opinion) had ever accomplished at CU. Didn't MLK have a dream that his children would be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character? Shouldn't those accomplishment simply be listed somewhere simply by the person's name? Are they not valid or commendable if the person is not also identified as a "student of color?" Just a thought I guess.
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,94275.0.html
Any takers?
Dude -- OConnor was at DU -- how come no one told us!!
anon at 11:29, grow up. you sound like a college freshman.
What a witty and insightful response anon at 9:20. You clearly come from the republican school of argument, i.e., attack the messenger so you can ignore the message.
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